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X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.07.06 17:00:00 -
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Last night Caldari Admiral Kahn "KAHHHNNNN!!!!" Farshatok took the fight to a whole new level. In one fell swoop he nullified the only two remaining advantages the Gallente had with what our Intelligence Sources are calling the "Tristan-Cat Doctrine".
The Tristan-Cat is a simple fitted ship with two objectives: 1) Remove the effect of lousy Caldari pilots from the battle and concentrate as much of the piloting, targeting, and basically everything to the FC, and 2) Deny FDU pilots any worthwhile loot.
Bottom Line: Kahn plans to starve us to death, just like he tried to starve Kirk to death by transporting him to the center of a planet. This is an all-out war of attrition - to the bitter end.
Here is the fit:
[Tristan-Cat]
Small Shield Transporter I
200mm Autocannon Ix2
1MN Microwarpdrive I
Medium Shield Extender I
Warp Scrambler I
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Overdrive Injector Ix2
Small Capacitor Control Circuit Ix3
8x Tech 1 Drones
The fleet doctrine is brilliant. Set up inside a FW Plex, turn on the MWD, hit "keep at range 500" to the FC, launch drones and assign them tot he FC, put the small shield transporter on the FC (since he is the only one actively piloting and targeting anything). The only thing the fleet members need to do is engage anybody who attacks the FC with their autocannons and scram. "F1" and "F2" isn't very hard - even for a Squid.
What makes this fit a "game changer" however, is the fact that there is no loot that the Federation Militia pilots can use to replenish their ship losses. There is nothing of value here with the sole exception of the Micro Auxiliary Power Core I (we use these in our Derp Atrons), and the Capacitor Control Circuits. In fact, the CCC's cost 3x the rest of the ship. This might sound "moronic" at first, but in reality it's brilliant because rigs don't drop and so an enemy fleet can't use them to resupply their forces. That, coupled with the fact that Gallente are at Tier 1 and cannot make isk in FW, will likely prove to be the last nail in the coffin for the Gallente Militia.
Difficult times are ahead. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.07.07 00:46:00 -
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These are all excellent suggestions, but I'm afraid both have their drawbacks. The smartbombs are a killer to our faction standings, and their tristans are FAST and will close in on our snipers, and *poof*. No, I fear that these are the end times for the Gallente. |
X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.07.07 13:23:00 -
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Grandma Squirel wrote:Jam/Damp enemy FC... Also, do drone assigns work in Faction Warfare? I found them to be useless when pirating in lowsec, as the drones wont attack... Drones are jam/damp resistant because you can:
1. Assist somebody who is not jammed/damped, and
2. Put them on "aggressive" so that if you are jam/damped they will still apply dps.
Our fitting experts are still at work trying to counter this setup. Will report back soon and get your opinions.
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X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.07.07 15:21:00 -
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ECM bursts are just like smartbombs and therefore aren't a good option. We will look at lasers and get back to you.
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X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.07.07 23:11:00 -
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Fat-Cat doctrine name updated. Also, to the guy who suggested Lasers: Fat-Cats are faster than Amarr hulls and can therefore avoid any damage.
Our fitting specialists are still working on a counter to the Fat-Cat. |
X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.07.08 01:18:00 -
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Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:The bad thing about this is that the Tristan is a frog ship. Agreed, from a rp perspective, Caldari FW players should not be allowed to fly Gallente hulls.
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X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.07.08 13:11:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Garr Earthbender wrote:This one knows not of the attrition doctrines that are being run by both sides. SHUSH YOU Ibis
Don't think we haven't considered this as our ship of last resort (velator actually) but rookie ships cannot get into plexes. |
X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.07.08 17:37:00 -
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You would think so, but with two overdrive injectors these Tristans can move quickly to close. No, kiters are not the way to go. |
X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.07.08 19:06:00 -
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chatgris wrote:I must aggressively object to this: The more caldari that fly navy comets, the more 50 point kills I get on BC. If anything, I'd like it if the caldari weren't allowed to fly hookbills :P
I think NOT allowing them to fly Tristans is more important than your petty 50 point BC kills. Do you want us to be swept aside into the dustbin of Militia history? Yes, we're talking extinction event here. |
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Posted - 2013.07.08 23:17:00 -
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Syrias Bizniz wrote:I guess i'm being trolled.
This is no time for trolling. |
X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.07.09 00:08:00 -
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Zappity wrote:The problem is that I've never been able to engage with Faction Warfare .... and the lack of end game.
And yet you are in RvB. +1 |
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Posted - 2013.07.09 13:22:00 -
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Dan Carter Murray wrote:i like turtles
But these Tristans are like FAST turtles. That's what makes them so dangerous. |
X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:37:00 -
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Do you all see the light now? These things will be the death of us all! |
X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.07.12 16:43:00 -
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Yes Estella, the possibilities are endless, and terrifying. They have us in a tough spot. Either we stay safe and docked - and lose all our systems, or we fight and die - and lose all our systems anyways.
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X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.07.12 19:25:00 -
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These are all great suggestions, but unfortunately a bit misguided. For example, using smartbombs in FW kills your faction standings - due to you hitting members in your own militia. |
X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.07.12 21:19:00 -
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Andre Vauban wrote:The truth reveals itself. This is XG's master plan to get everybody to join JUSTK!
Our first recruit under this new policy is MinutemanKirk. |
X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.07.12 22:09:00 -
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Berluth Luthian wrote:X Gallentius wrote:These are all great suggestions, but unfortunately a bit misguided. For example, using smartbombs in FW kills your faction standings - due to you hitting members in your own militia. That's why like I said you could still spider tank navitas while everyone is staying outside the range of each other's smart bombs.
Upon further review, this is a brilliant plan. We will have our Ship Fitting Gurus get in tough with yours and we can work out the details of this fleet setup. |
X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.07.13 16:44:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Marc Callan wrote:Zappity wrote:The problem is that I've never been able to engage with Faction Warfare due to the inevitable pendulum nature of it and the lack of end game. It makes caring about the trolling difficult. "When the fw farmer saw the breadth of his domain, he wept, for there were no more systems to farm." fixed. Sadly, we have been spending too much time trying to counter this Fat-Cat doctrine to farm anything lately. We're starving! |
X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.07.13 16:47:00 -
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Klymer wrote:..kiting Kestrel... kiting Condor... Kestrel... kiting, Condor, and other solutions full of questionable morality...
Although we may starve to death fighting this Fat-Cat doctrine, we will do so with honor. Kiting missile boats are out of the question. |
X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.07.14 17:05:00 -
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Cearain wrote:
I have a questions about assigning drones.
After the drones are assigned to the fc will they keep attacking as long as the fc is alive or will they stop attacking if you kill the ship that assigned them?
Could the fc use a merlin or punisher?
I'm assuming the drones used the skill bonuses and ship/module bonuses of the person assigning them and not the fc and the fc's ship.
I hope this is a question for Kahn. I, personally, don't feel like helping them improve an already terrifying fleet setup by answering your questions. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.07.14 17:06:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:
There is only one way to counter this doctrine: You need to get a fleet of 40 lokis, 40 proteuses, 20 guardians, at a minimum. Adding some triage carriers may be needed.. You will also need a titan and cyno. Hot dropping is the only viable solution.
Couple problems here:
1. Those ships are irrelevant to plex warfare (as anybody from Nulli Secunda should know), and
2. We're broke! How are we supposed to afford those ships??!!! |
X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.07.14 22:36:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:So, bottom-line it for me: is this a sad, bored-on-Sunday troll, or are you actually asking something? I was reporting to the world about this terrifying fleet setup, and why it is a game changer. So no, not a bored-on-Sunday troll ( the original post was not on a Sunday), nor was I asking for anything - people just started giving their suggestions.
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